Barbara Zangerl has been one of the leading female trad climbers for 10+ years and when it comes to multi-pitch climbing the 33-year-old Austrian is among the most accomplished, independent of gender. Trad ethics have been developed and shared over the years but there are no fixed rules etc. Ethics can often vary between different locations and there is also a grey zone of what is allowed. Babsi was kind enough to share her opinion on the sometimes delicate questions. The origin of the talk comes from her latest
video where she does Le Voyage 8b+, using the pre-placed threads (slings) that FA James Pearson left. "
In general I thinkโฆ all options are open you just have to be honest about how you approached a climbโฆ"
How do you create such fixed slings and why?
You put a sling through two connecting pockets and then a knot ๐ชข. It is called sanduhr in german. Like connecting holes in the rock, where you put a sling through. You can do that while climbing as well, but often that kind of protection is fixed on some routes. I guess it was James who put them there. Also on Muy Caliente and some other routes in Pembroke or other places, there are fixed slings like thatโฆ especially on face climbs. Of course, on crack climbs you donโt need or find anything like that
Everybody should decide on their own! I repeated โLe Voyage" with the same ethics that the FA used. It is not a hard sequence where you clip the fixed slings on Le Voyageโit is where you can take a big rest.
What about pre-placed cams and nuts?
I think that a clean ascent should be without pre-placed gear. Placing gear takes time and sometimes it can be even tricky to place gear while climbing. So it adds some difficulty to a route I would say. If everything is pre-placed, you are faster and donโt lose any power for taking the time to place gear. So it makes a difference if you climb a line pre-placed or place all the gear while climbing.
What about placing gear and then down climb and then continue to use this as fixed protection?
I start climbing and place the gear while climbing. I never tried down climbing to have the gear placed before I do a real try. But I guess that is ok as well. But I think it doesnโt really help. It even makes it more complicated, I would say. It depends if the down climb is hard or super easy.
What about fixed pitons and removable beaks etc? Does it make it a "mixed" route?
I know there are some routes in Europe/US where there are old rusty pitons. They are still called trad linesโฆ so I guess that is ok. As long as you donโt hammer in a new one, which is questionable. Beaks are aid climbing gear and trad climbers often use them as protection. You can put them into very small cracksโฆ
You can place it while climbing on a clean lineโฆ or you can hammer it into the crack.
Would such protection still be included in the clean trad ethics?
Yes, if you place them while climbing, not using a hammer. If they are pre-placed it is not clean anymore. But, probably still a trad climb if there is one old beak or piton from back in the days.
What about replacing an old rosty piton?
I would say noโฆ but there are lines that are mixedโฆ and you should ask the people who put up the routeโฆ. Before you change anything.
In the Dolomites, there are many alpine routes with super old gear on them. Some stay like that forever and some get new pitons.
In the past they were safe routes but now, probably not anymore. You can take a hammer and hammer lose pitons in again; I think that is okโฆ but for placing new ones you should always discuss with people who put up the line.
What about having a safety rope on the side or at the top ready if the climber wants to bail out?Nopeโฆ this is not something that you want to use on trad.
What about protecting trad climbs with crash pads?
I think it is all fineโฆ you just have to mention it.
8a.nu is about to publish an article about an 8c+ route in which you, on relatively easy terrain, clip two bolts but then it goes on natural gear. Should this be considered trad or mix... I mean, let us say somebody makes the first 9a+ "trad" climb in such style, I do not think you should call it the hardest trad route in the world? It is a grey zone again? Should it be published as a trad or a mixed climb ;) ?(Journalist dilemma)
It can be a trad lineโฆ but I would definitely say that there are two bolts and it is not completely clean.
It is mostly trad but there is a sequence where you clip bolts.