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How 8a.nu could assist in the fight against abuse of anabolic steroids.

<div>As has been pointed out on this forum earlier: 8a.nu could assist the community in the fight against doping in sports, with the introduction of an "anti doping declaration" in the scorecard environment. The following could be done: <br></div><div><br></div><div>1. Each scorecard holder would have to write a 150 word long declaration where the scorecard holder rejects any abuse of anabolic steroids and performance enhancing substances. <br></div><div><br></div><div>2. When a scorecard holder registers a new boulder/route in the scorecard, the scorecard holder has to tick a "box" declaring that the ascent was done without "performance enhancing" substances.</div><div><br></div><div> FBAI asks Jens Larssen and 8a.nu to respond to this request. To introduce such an environment in the scorecard could be helpful in the fight against abuse of anabolic steroids and performance enhancing substances. The climbing community has had few discussions on this subject and it is time we take a stand: We must all reject abuse of anabolic steroids and performance enhancing substances.<br></div>
FBAI, go ahead and expose the abuse. I'm eager to see your evidence.
Anonymous organisation? You gotta be kidding, right? What is your budget, who are your sponsors, how many members do you have? You should answer these questions in full before putting forward your lunatic proposals.
If Larssen and 8a.nu introduced a "personal anti-doping statement" in the scorecard, where a scorecardholder had to write a 150 word long anti doping declaration, declaring he/she has read the WADA banned substance list and that no ascents on his/her scorecard has been done abusing such substances, this might give some evidence: If some of the people ranked high on the 8a.nu scorecard refused to write such a statement and suddenly disappeared from the ranking list, this would be evidence. Of course it is not a proof of abuse, but 8a.nu should clearify its stance on the subject. The current situation is all about ignoring the problem and a refusal to relate to it. Do you honestly believe climbers differ from everybody else and never abuse anabolic steroids or other drugs? There is a rumour that the top onsight level on indoor competitions where the WADA rules are respected, is around 8a+ or 8b. Outdoor top onsight level is 8c+ or 9a. Since routes on indoor competitions are taken down after the competition and the grade of the indoor route is never discussed, this difference in level is not mentioned by 8a.nu or other climbing publications. Hence this is never discussed in the media. If this claim is true: Don't you think this is suspicious and indicates there is something wrong?
No, we don't.
[... top onsight level on indoor competitions where the WADA rules are respected, is around 8a+ or 8b. Outdoor top onsight level is 8c+ or 9a ...] Yes, clearly, the only explanation for this are steroids! And we all know who's fault it is: Larssen and 8a.nu!
There are two debates Larssen and 8a.nu are refusing to relate to (and in fact censoring): The drugs debate and the inclusion of an anti doping statement in the scorecard. There is also the competition format debate: https://www.8a.nu/forum/general/weight-top-level-beta-classes-and-anorexia-in-climbing These are serious issues and the community and Larssen needs to relate to them. If the community and 8a.nu does not relate to these issues, people that are not climbers will have difficulties relating to "sport climbing" as a sport.
Savvas Ioannou
In reply to Mark Nauser

I don't know any users but I suspect someone is distributing AAS.