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Climb and develop more locally - Eco friendly crags
OffLine 8a.nu
  2019-03-18 00:00:00    
Protect our winters is a new platform where climbers can talk about climate change. 8a also want to encourage climbers to climb and develop more locally.

Rock climbing is one of the best sports when it comes to having less impact on the climate. We play in the nature and limited equipment are needed. The carbon footprint we create is almost solely related to how we transport our self to the crags. The best way a climber can reduce their impact on the climate change is actually to climb and develop more locally, especially on the crags that can be reached by train or by bike.

Eco friendly crags should be promoted locally but also for climbers planning their next trip in order to create minimal carbon footprint. Göteborg in Sweden has some 1 000 climbs that can be reached within 10 min train from the city center and then 10 min walk, alternatively 30 min with a bike. Please share recommendations for other Eco friendly areas and crags.
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OnLine Geo Bush
  2019-03-15 16:24:46    
Somewhat ironic considering that the FFA of the Dawn Wall only occurred because of the unusually mild winter conditions Caldwell and Jorgeson enjoyed that year...
OffLine Perica Levatic
  2019-03-16 19:34:08    
It is completely hypocritical to call rock climbing one of the best sports to having less impact on the enviroment, because the opposite is the truth, and climbers do more harm than good for the enviroment. How many climbers do you know who do not use a car to go to the crag?

Climbing is not an eco friendly sport. It could be in theory, if everyone used bike or train to go to the crag, but in practice 99.9% of climbers drive with cars to crags and travel way more than the average person.
OffLine Henning Wang
  2019-03-17 18:19:19    
And then there is massive constructions we build to climb indoors, aswell as walls and holds that need to be built and transported for comps. Not very eco friendly at all compared to most "outdoor" sports..
OnLine Jens Larssen
  2019-03-17 20:33:23    
Rock climbing and outdoors do not have anything in common with competitions.

I do think that there is a great possibility that once you become an outdoor climber, you will get more concerned about the nature and climate change.

Travelling is a big obstacle and that is why we should develop and climb more locally.
OffLine Henning Wang
  2019-03-17 21:32:06    
And yet most of the best rock climbers outdoors are also the ones that compete.. Indoor and outdoor climbing go hand in hand. You can not say climbing as a whole is something based on one only a small part of it, and as a whole climbing is not very eco friendly compared with most sports.
OnLine Jens Larssen
  2019-03-17 22:07:46    
I am not saying anything about climbing as a whole...

I am only talking about outdoor rock climbing...

I am not talking about competition climbing or Mount Everest etc.
OffLine Philippe Vaucher
  2019-03-18 08:22:13    
I think it's the other way around... people who like being outdoor enjoy outdoor sports, climbing being one of them.

I don't think many indoor people who started climbing then convert to outdoor, they usually stay indoor ("outdoor is not convenient/it is dangerous/takes too much time/etc"). The ones that convert to outdoor where already outdoor people (hiking etc), and they started indoor with the goal of moving to outdoor.
OffLine Joakim Thommesen
  2019-03-18 08:51:32    
No more spraying about Kalymnos then?
OffLine Martijn Pieterse
  2019-03-19 08:22:27    
Also, all the climbs have been "cleaned", meaning all life has been eradicated from them. Then the climbers come along, causing a lot of erosion, and throwing their crashpads on the small seedlings trying to grow.

Then they shit in the woods, leave thrash, kill bugs, scare the wildlife.

No, climbing is far from eco-friendly, or climate neutral. Most of this has to do with people being assholes (yes, my guess is at least 50% of the climbers are assholes to nature), and there is no way you can change that.
OnLine Jens Larssen
  2019-03-19 09:47:29    
So which other sports do you think are more eco-friendly?
OffLine Philippe Vaucher
  2019-03-19 11:26:03    
Almost all outdoor sports are not eco-friendly by definition (someone being outside usually impacts the nature negatively (pollution, noise, etc)).

That said, running is probably more "eco friendly" that climbing as the runner usually:

- runs close from home (no car)
- stays outside for a short period (does not scare wild life for a whole afternoon)
- leaves little marks of his passage (no trash, no tick marks, etc)

About the marks, I know that the climbers _can_ reduce their marks but it's much easier to do when you run (given the nomad nature), hence I think they tend to leave less marks.
OnLine Jens Larssen
  2019-03-19 11:51:55    
Rock climbing is for me more eco-friendly compared to indoor and arena sports as you do not have to build and warm up an arena.

Running is of course also eco-friendly but measured by your standards, "chalk marks", running takes often place on constructed trails or the runners create them :) Further more, you can say that runners consume a lot of energy meaning they have to compensate their exercise with much more eating then the average climber :)

I do not see tick marks as any threat towards the climate change :)

Anyhow, travelling is the big obstacle in regards climbing so develop and climb more locally is what we all should aim for.